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Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:28 pm
by codonauta
Hello.
I am looking for the score of the Dietrisch Buxhetude's composition " La Capricciosa", BuxWV 250, a work for harpsichord.
It is a set with a theme more 30 variations, which is related to the origin of the j S Bach´s Goldberg variations, but it is been hard to find it. In IMSLP or in others sites in internet.
So, I will be very grateful if someone could to add this score to IMSLP, or even saying me how and where I get it.
Thanks.

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:58 pm
by daphnis
I only find this piece in a collection reprinted by Kalmus entitled Harpsichord compositions: transcribed for the piano, catalog number 3281. The collection contains the following works (copied from WorldCat):

Suites: I. C-Dur. II. C-Dur. III. C-Dur. IV. C-Dur. V. C-Dur. VI. d-moll. VII. d-moll. VII. d-moll. IX. D-Dur. X. e-moll. XI. e-moll. XII. e-moll. XIII. F-Dur. XIV. g-moll. XV. g-moll. XVI. g-moll. XVII. G-Dur. XVIII. a-moll. XIX. A-Dur. -- Variations: XX. Aria: C-Dur. XXI. Aria: More Palatino. C-Dur. XXII. Aria: Rofilis. d-moll. XXIII. Courent zimble. a-moll. XXIV. Aria: a-moll. XXV. Aria: La Capricciosa. G-Dur --Anonymous works: XXVI. Courante, d-moll. XXVII. Courante. G-Dur. XXVII. Simphonie. G-Dur.

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:53 am
by codonauta
I read "XXV. Aria: La Capricciosa. G-Dur" - but contains just the aria, or the entire set of variations?

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:06 am
by daphnis
I have no idea. I only copied what a search returned. If it is only just the "Aria", then apparently the entire work is either unpublished or exceedingly rare (if there is no record for the complete score).

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:20 am
by Eric
(From what I've heard and read I gather that) the piece is in fact titled Aria, La Capricciosa- you can be almost entirely sure that the set will contain the whole set of variations unless otherwise specified (... erm- I think.) That said, a books.google.com search doesn't reveal much mention of it before the 1940s or so- and have also read that Buxtehude's non-organ keyboard compositions survive in a single manuscript that may perhaps only have been rediscovered around then at a guess???? - so it might only be PD-CA and PD-EU, say, but not public domain in the US for awhile due to late date of first publication (more or less; there is an exception to that rule, or two, far as I know which is not far.)

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:08 am
by codonauta
After, I found a volume with of a lot of Buxhetude keyboard composicions, including " La capricciosa", tha aria and the entire set of variations.

It is " Breitkoft & Härtel - Wiesbaden
Edition Breitkoft Nr.8077

Sämtliche Suiten und Variationen
für Klavier/Cembalo
Dietrich Buxtehude, hrsg. von Klaus Beckmann.

But I don´t know if this is in public domain. Do you know that?
If not, it is a possibility to buy it from Breitkoft, anyway.

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:22 am
by Eric
IMSLP has at least one volume edited by Klaus Beckmann (organ works by Reincken); it's marked downloadable in the European Union only.

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:14 am
by steltz
@Codonauta, your IP address shows as US/Florida. This means that if it is only available on the EU server, then it would be illegal for you to download it. You will probably have to buy it. Breitkopf has two editions, one "practical" and one "musicological". The practical one is EUR 23.

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:53 pm
by Eric
One reason the Reincken is on the EU server, I -think-, besides whether or not the editor died before 1961, is that it was published in the 1970s. A quick check revealed that this is also true of the Buxtehude volume you mention, so I think it would also probably be "Europe-only" for now (until some point in the future, probably 2065 or so- some other publication of the same work might be available and public domain sooner, though since I find no mention of La Capricciosa published earlier than the 1950s, maybe not sooner than 2045 or so- I don't know. A scan of the manuscript might be an exception depending on what one could establish about the work's likely performance history- I think some things are known about that when it comes to his harpsichord works in general, from accounts written by visitors (not Bach) he had late in life who remarked on those works (including at least one who considered taking over Buxtehude's job after he died but demurred on finding out that, like some other similar jobs at that time, it required he marry a member of Buxtehude's family so as not to leave them destitute on the organist's passing perhaps...), but maybe not that work in particular.

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:28 am
by codonauta
steltz wrote:@Codonauta, your IP address shows as US/Florida. This means that if it is only available on the EU server, then it would be illegal for you to download it. You will probably have to buy it. Breitkopf has two editions, one "practical" and one "musicological". The practical one is EUR 23.
Steltz, I live in south of Brazil,South America - I am typing from here, so I don't know how my IP address indicated Florida - US.

Living in Brazil , and not in US, Canada or another European country makes some diference in that?

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:01 am
by steltz
Brazil is life+70, from the sources I have. This means you would probably follow EU law, which means it might be OK. However, the sources I have only deal with the very basic stuff. You also need to check publication date, and how your country deals with editors -- not all countries treat them as equal to the composer in terms of protection.

Editors:
For example, I live in a country with a life+50 law, but because the "threshold of originality" is so low, editors get the same protection as composers, so not only does the composer have to have died more than 50 years ago, but the editor(s) also have to have died more than 50 years ago.

Publicaton date:
If a work was published posthumously, then it doesn't go by the composer's/editor's death dates, it goes by publication date. Again, you have to check your specific countries laws, but a posthumous work is probably something like 70 years from publication.

Re: Buxhetude, BuxWV 250 - La Capricciosa (harpsichord)

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:23 am
by codonauta
steltz wrote:Brazil is life+70, from the sources I have. This means you would probably follow EU law, which means it might be OK. However, the sources I have only deal with the very basic stuff. You also need to check publication date, and how your country deals with editors -- not all countries treat them as equal to the composer in terms of protection.

Editors:
For example, I live in a country with a life+50 law, but because the "threshold of originality" is so low, editors get the same protection as composers, so not only does the composer have to have died more than 50 years ago, but the editor(s) also have to have died more than 50 years ago.

Publicaton date:
If a work was published posthumously, then it doesn't go by the composer's/editor's death dates, it goes by publication date. Again, you have to check your specific countries laws, but a posthumous work is probably something like 70 years from publication.
Dear Steltz, I understand now that. I will check the Brazilians laws about that. Thanks for the information. I will buy that Buxhetude´s book from one of two editors ( Breitkoft or Kalmus ), anyway.