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A post elsewhere about Rosamunde reminded me of this, since it doesn't appear in the Operas intersect (being incidental music instead)...

Out of 828 works under Schubert these are the current numbers of works found in the available intersections :

Lieder : 520
Piano pieces : 78
Piano sonatas : 21
Duets : 19
String quartets : 18
Manuscripts : 12
Masses : 12
Operas : 11
Symphonies : 11
Trios : 5
Song cycles : 3
Quintets : 2

Which is only 712 items; even assuming all of these are unique (most of the items in manuscripts are found in other intersections), that leaves over a hundred works which are (more or less) awkward to find because titles of pages are frequently non-standard, and the fact that you can't eliminate the 520 items of Lieder from browsing.

For example, whoever recently put up the page for the Piano Trio movement ("Sonatensatz") D 28 didn't give it the correct genre or anything like a correct title, so it's quite hard to find: is it in the Trio intersect? No (because it was in Sonatas (other), which meant it didn't appear under Piano Sonatas either!). Under P, for Piano Trios? No. Under S, for "Sonatensatz" (which is actually the title Schubert gave the work)? No. It was actually under T for Trio; if you use the default method of browsing of the Schubert category and click on the "next 200 scores" link to browse, you'll need *three* clicks to get there.

I'm not griping that I don't like the lieder; I'm very glad that Schubert wrote as many fine lieder as he did. It just makes looking for the other stuff pretty damnably awful in an alphabetically sorted list without other tools (like the intersects) to help, and I'm fairly knowledgeable about his œuvre; I doubt it's much fun for the novice user.

It's almost to the point where it would be worth having a special category for Schubert works, i.e. [[Category:Not lieder!]], to allow an intersect to hide the 520 items under lieder. (The problem is, it would require adding the category to the other 308 items, which would be a freaking pain.) Would the new Category walker be able to help with this?

Regards, PML

The Category Walker was originally planned with negative intersects (NOT in X) which does precisely this. For simplicity sake I omitted it from the current CW. I can add it to my list as a feature request.

Don't worry about it and pretend it exists.

Well if you know the name and/or D number, you can easily use the works list page. It's pretty complete (though I'm sure not fully).

I'm sure the new system will help tremendously, though I've only just started the trios, and have about 800 or so to go still! In the meantime, I tried the search box on the left and entered "Schubert Trio". It gave 9 hits, of which one was the D.28 Sonatensatz. This should help.

Hi Feldmahler,I had a brief play with the Category Walker earlier tonight, it looks like another brilliant piece of programming, very well done. Fun to play with as well, even with relatively few tags in the system. But yes, you might as well add the negative intersection as a future feature request :-)

Regards, PML

PS Why does "Category Walker" somehow jog my memory to think of a connection with Chuck Norris aka "Walker, Texas Ranger"? Sad, or bizarre, I know.

PPS Yes, I know the Trio appears under a search, or (hopefully) appears on a manually updated list, but I'm griping specifically about the failure to easily browse the category. Would you like to browse the Bach category if the works were split up onto 1080+ pages, one per BWV number? Perosi, about 2000 works apparently might be about to be uploaded, how would you easily browse that? ;-)