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Caccini and copyright

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:52 pm
by Beethoveneighth
(Forgive me if this topic has been discussed before. I'm new here.)

I see that Caccini's Ave Maria is on this site. However, this piece was not written by Caccini (at least that's what it says in the Wikipedia article about Caccini's Ave Maria.)

According to the Wikipedia article, this piece was apparently written by a composer named Vladimir Vavilov around 1970. Wouldn't this mean it was still copyrighted?

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:46 am
by imslp
That's one interesting piece. Noone seems to be quite sure as to who actually wrote it... while it does say on Wikipedia that Vavilov was the composer, there is no link to any authentic scholarly writings that suggest this... and in fact Googling also does not produce any completely convincing results. People seem to mostly assume that Caccini wrote the piece (not surprising given the attribution), but there are also a fair group which claims Vavilov did, and some in between...

If anyone else have any comments please post... otherwise I might remove the file after a while.

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:55 am
by daphnis
OP, did you check what Grove has to say about this? Wikipedia isn't a scholarly resource, therefore consider it with some dubiousness.

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:25 pm
by Lyle Neff
daphnis wrote:OP, did you check what Grove has to say about this? Wikipedia isn't a scholarly resource, therefore consider it with some dubiousness.
Grove online has no "Ave Maria" listed among the Giuilo Caccini works, nor an article on Vavilov.

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:58 pm
by Carolus
Looks like another possible case like the Giazotto "Albinoni" Adagio. The only Vavilov I can find in the Biographical Dictionary of Russian/Soviet Composers by Ho and Feofanov is for one Gennady Vavilov (b.1932). No mention of an "Ave Maria", either.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:51 pm
by Beethoveneighth
Oh, this is interesting.

Yes, I guess I should've tried to research this with a more reliable source than Wikipedia.

This piece is definitely not by Caccini though. It doesn't sound like it's from his time period at all, at least to me.