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Catalogue numbers missing from a composer's main list
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:57 pm
by felixblumenfeld
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main page for Ferruccio Busoni has six titles for which the BV numbers are missing. I can see how to modify the entry "Work Title" in the General Information section, but it does not seem possible to modify the page title itself (which would update the title in the Category page). Could someone explain how to do it, or could an administrator make the modifications, as this may be out of bounds for ordinary users? There is such a
full list of catalogue numbers for reference.
Re: Cataloge numbers missing from a composer's main list
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:19 pm
by coulonnus
I moved the BV 281 page. Is this what you mean?
Re: Catalogue numbers missing from a composer's main list
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:37 pm
by felixblumenfeld
I understand that, in order to fix a main title, you need to "move" a page from the incorrect title to the correct one. I see that you have duly corrected BV 281, 298a, and 299. The remaining cases are now:
Canzone, BV 1 (see below about the opus number)
Kammer-Fantasie über Bizets 'Carmen', BV 284 (this redirection could be omitted)
Danze antiche, Op. 11, BV 126
Doktor Faust, BV 303
Several changes would need to be made to bring consistency to the main page, and I thank you very much in advance if you can take care of this while you are at it. This will be a gift to Busoni on the occasion of the centenary of his death.
The following titles should be moved to tab "As Arranger":
Canonic Variations & Fugue in C minor, BV B40 (also change "BV B40" to "BV B 40", i.e., add space)
Duettino concertante nach Mozart, BV B 88
Fantasie, Fuge, Andante und Scherzo, BV B 42
Transcription of 2 Toccatas from J.S. Bach, BV B 29
Trascrizione di concerto sopra motivi dell’opera 'Merlino', BV B 55
Opus numbers, to be placed before the catalogue numbers, are missing in several instances. Since the original editors decided to include the opus numbers (in fact not much used as opposed to the catalogue numbers), it is worth making things consistent.
BV 1: Op. 1
BV 114: Op. 30
BV 189: Op. 13
BV 197: Op. 4-6
BV 202: Op. 15
BV 247: Op. 39 (yes, same opus number for Des Sängers Fluch)
BV 270: Op. 50
BV 282: Op. 51
BV 295: Op. 55, No. 2
Add the BV number to: Praeludium und Doppelfuge zum Choral, Op.7, BV 157
BV B 55: Double rather than single quotation marks around "Merlino"
The title for BV 296 should read 5 Kurze Stücke zur Pflege des polyphonen Spiels
Re: Catalogue numbers missing from a composer's main list
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:53 am
by coulonnus
I made BV 1, 284, 126, 303 and will do the Op. later but the arrangements are embarassing because they should be moved to the original composer page.
See e.g.
https://imslp.org/wiki/Nun_komm,_der_He ... Sebastian)
Re: Catalogue numbers missing from a composer's main list
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:52 am
by felixblumenfeld
The works in question now are BV B 29, 37, 42, and 88. It would be odd if they were to remain on the Compositions page, whereas the other 53 arrangements are in the As Arranger tab, where one may have to look for them as part of a sometimes long list. It is true that it is quick and easy to have arrangements treated as original works, with a page of their own. Unless I am wrong, this would break IMSLP's practice for arrangements.
There is an entry "Transcription of 2 Toccatas from J.S. Bach, BV B 29", but it leads only to BWV 564, not to the other arrangement of BWV 565, which is listed next to the former on the As Arranger page.
Re: Catalogue numbers missing from a composer's main list
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:01 pm
by Sallen112
Just FYI for the workpage titles, these should only contain one set of catelogue numbers (probably BV only), not two different kinds. It is OK however, to list them in the catelogue/opus field in the general info for multiple catelogue numbers.
Re: Catalogue numbers missing from a composer's main list
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2024 2:31 am
by felixblumenfeld
My intention when writing my original post was to draw attention to the lack of consistency in the list and suggest solving the problem. I nevertheless agree that the BV numbers would be enough in the main list; however, several page moves have now been made. Busoni's opus numbers have a convoluted and complex history, with several numbers used more than once, and thus have little use in real life. Furthermore, I see that both BV and opus numbers are used in the General Information section, but this is not done systematically and would have to be checked for consistency. The heading reads "Opus/Catalogue Number", but the numbers are given in reverse order in many cases.