We now have an arrangement entitled Adagio and Allegro, HWV 338. Before I tag it, I need to resolve the following:
1) The work page should show the original title for the full work. In the arranger's source, the Hallische Händel-Ausgabe, series IV, Band 15, pp.46-48, this excerpt comes from a work called "Ouverture", so I need to re-do the page title, but that brings up the question:
2) The arranger has listed it as HWV 338. However, the Hallische Händel-Ausgabe, has the correct music, but the HWV number is 337, not 338. I would need to change the HWV number on the work page to 337, but Grove Music lists this work as "337 (–338)", though in the Hallische Händel-Ausgabe, HWV 338 is a separate work entitled "Sinfonia" and is for 2 violins, continuo. Can anyone shed any light on why both numbers are listed for one piece?
Handel, HWV 337 vs 338
Handel, HWV 337 vs 338
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Re: Handel, HWV 337 vs 338
Check out the entry in the Händel Hand-Buch (HHB) or failing that, have a look on Brad Leissa’s web site.
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Re: Handel, HWV 337 vs 338
From gfhandel.org
HWV 337: Ouverture in D major
Genre: Orchestral
Composed: circa 1722-5
Notes:
Probably intended as introductory movement.
Possibly intended to be coupled with the Concerto Grosso in D major Op 3 No 6 (HWV 317) as the Adagio movement.
HHA edition: IV/15
HWV 338: Adagio in B minor/Allegro in D major
Genre: Orchestral Suite
Completed score: 1722
Notes:
Originally, with 1st movement of the Organ Concerto, Allegro in D minor (HWV 317), a 3-movement orchestral concerto.
1st movement used as sinfonia in Ottone (HWV 15); theme of last movement reworked for ouverture of Ottone.
HHA edition: IV/15
HWV 337: Ouverture in D major
Genre: Orchestral
Composed: circa 1722-5
Notes:
Probably intended as introductory movement.
Possibly intended to be coupled with the Concerto Grosso in D major Op 3 No 6 (HWV 317) as the Adagio movement.
HHA edition: IV/15
HWV 338: Adagio in B minor/Allegro in D major
Genre: Orchestral Suite
Completed score: 1722
Notes:
Originally, with 1st movement of the Organ Concerto, Allegro in D minor (HWV 317), a 3-movement orchestral concerto.
1st movement used as sinfonia in Ottone (HWV 15); theme of last movement reworked for ouverture of Ottone.
HHA edition: IV/15
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Re: Handel, HWV 337 vs 338
I can only see 4 recorders in the arrangement.The file title contains op.3 No.6. And there is another candidate:
HWV 339: Sinfonia in B flat major (as "HWV 338")
Genre: Orchestral
Composed: Probably Hamburg or Italy, circa 1706-7
Published: 1979
Borrowings: An aria ('Binder Schutz') in Handel's first opera Almira (HWV 1), 1704, provides the main theme of the opening movement, which it also shares with the keyboard suite in B flat major in the 1733 collection.
Notes:
No autograph.
First published in 1979 in the Halle Edition (IV/15) and is known only from a copy by Christopher Graupner (1683-1760).
The Sinfonia could well date from Handel's own time in Hamburg between 1704 and 1706.
HHA edition: IV/15
HWV 339: Sinfonia in B flat major (as "HWV 338")
Genre: Orchestral
Composed: Probably Hamburg or Italy, circa 1706-7
Published: 1979
Borrowings: An aria ('Binder Schutz') in Handel's first opera Almira (HWV 1), 1704, provides the main theme of the opening movement, which it also shares with the keyboard suite in B flat major in the 1733 collection.
Notes:
No autograph.
First published in 1979 in the Halle Edition (IV/15) and is known only from a copy by Christopher Graupner (1683-1760).
The Sinfonia could well date from Handel's own time in Hamburg between 1704 and 1706.
HHA edition: IV/15
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Re: Handel, HWV 337 vs 338
I found the original music at YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlqanD5O0OE.
They played it as Handels concerto op.3 No.6 (HWV 317). But only the first movement is from HWV 317,
movement 2 and 3 are identically with HWV 338 and the 3 rd movement Allegro is the original piece of
our arrangement. Accoding to http://www.haendel.haendelhaus.de the instrumentation of HWV 338
is "Querflöte, Oboen, Fagott, Theorbe und Streicher".
From the HHA:
HWV 338 1-2 Adagio / Allegro in B minor / D maj
Scoring: Adagio: Flauto traverso, Violino solo, Laute, Violoncello, Contrabbasso - Orchester: Violino I, II, Viola, Continuo - Allegro: Oboe I, II, Violino I, II, Viola, Continuo
London c. 1722
They played it as Handels concerto op.3 No.6 (HWV 317). But only the first movement is from HWV 317,
movement 2 and 3 are identically with HWV 338 and the 3 rd movement Allegro is the original piece of
our arrangement. Accoding to http://www.haendel.haendelhaus.de the instrumentation of HWV 338
is "Querflöte, Oboen, Fagott, Theorbe und Streicher".
From the HHA:
HWV 338 1-2 Adagio / Allegro in B minor / D maj
Scoring: Adagio: Flauto traverso, Violino solo, Laute, Violoncello, Contrabbasso - Orchester: Violino I, II, Viola, Continuo - Allegro: Oboe I, II, Violino I, II, Viola, Continuo
London c. 1722